On this “Face the Nation” broadcast moderated by Robert Costa:
- Vice President Kamala Harris
- Gov. Glenn Youngkin, Republican of Virginia
- Rep. Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland
- Alex Holder, documentarian
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ROBERT COSTA: I am Robert Costa in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: Supporters of abortion rights push for extra motion from the Biden administration and Congress. And the midterm marketing campaign ramps up.
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PROTESTER: My physique!
PROTESTERS: My selection!
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ROBERT COSTA: Exterior the White Home, frustration over abortion rights intensifies, amid rising confusion over the place and the way ladies can safely get abortions.
President Biden’s govt order searching for to increase and strengthen entry can solely go to this point. His answer, this November’s elections.
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JOE BIDEN (President of the USA): What we’re witnessing wasn’t a constitutional judgment. It was an train in uncooked political energy.
We want two extra pro-choice senators and a pro-choice Home to codify Roe as federal legislation. Your vote could make {that a} actuality.
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ROBERT COSTA: We sat down with Vice President Kamala Harris. She is going to define the administration’s technique on abortion rights and extra.
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ROBERT COSTA: End this sentence for me: Individuals have to vote for Democrats in November as a result of?
KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of the USA): Our democracy is on the poll, actually.
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ROBERT COSTA: Do Republicans see it otherwise? We are going to discuss with a rising star within the GOP, Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin, a businessman who gained in an upset final November.
We are going to preview this week’s January 6 hearings with Maryland Congressman Jamie Raskin.
Lastly, a take a look at the documentary shot behind the scenes throughout the closing weeks of the Trump administration.
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DONALD TRUMP (Former President of the USA): It isn’t even a contest, however you continue to want a decide that has braveness. And, to this point, we’ve not discovered that decide.
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ROBERT COSTA: It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation. Margaret is out right this moment.
Final week, we witnessed a collection of stunning occasions around the globe. After refusing to resign for months, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson lastly succumbed to political strain and stop. In Japan, a rustic with a number of the hardest gun legal guidelines on the earth, former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was shot and killed throughout a marketing campaign occasion.
Right here at residence, seven individuals have been shot and killed and dozens injured whereas watching a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, a suburb of Chicago. Up to now this yr, within the U.S., there have been 327 mass shootings, 12 of them since that capturing every week in the past.
Vice President Kamala Harris visited Highland Park simply after the capturing. We sat down along with her in her ceremonial workplace on Friday. And that is the place our dialog started.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: While you meet with first responders, whenever you meet with households of those victims, you can’t keep away from the truth of what the impression of this gun violence is on a group, on households, on individuals who — who love their group, who love their member of the family, and assault weapons.
So let’s simply go proper to that, assault weapons. Assault weapons have been particularly and deliberately designed to kill numerous human beings rapidly. It’s a weapon of warfare. In case you’ve ever checked out, if I could also be so blunt, an post-mortem {photograph} to see what it does to the human physique, and the truth that we will not get Congress to resume.
It isn’t like we’re pulling one thing out of our hat — we have achieved it earlier than as a nation — to resume the assault weapons ban is outrageous. And you may help the Second Modification. I help the Second Modification. However we must always agree we must always not have weapons of warfare on the streets of America.
ROBERT COSTA: Why accomplish that many mass shooters, usually younger males radicalized on-line, appear to nonetheless have entry legally to weapons and to slide previous pink flag legal guidelines, like these in Illinois?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: As a result of these weapons can be found. And we’ve got to cease permitting these weapons to be obtainable to civilians dwelling in communities of people that have a proper to consider that they aren’t in a warfare zone.
ROBERT COSTA: President Biden issued an govt order…
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: … on abortion searching for to increase and bolster entry.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: However so many Democrats on this nation stay very indignant in regards to the latest Supreme Courtroom determination.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: California Governor Gavin Newsom stated this in Could:
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GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM (D-California): The place is the Democratic Occasion? The place’s the get together? Why aren’t we calling this out? It is a concerted, coordinated effort. And, sure, they’re profitable.
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ROBERT COSTA: Is he proper?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I feel all of us share a deep sense of concern that the USA Supreme Courtroom took a constitutional proper that was acknowledged, took it from the ladies of America.
I imply, sit again and take into consideration that for a second. The best courtroom in our land simply took a constitutional proper that was acknowledged for girls to make selections about their very own our bodies. And so now we’re a state of affairs the place the federal government can inform an individual in our nation what they will and can’t do with their very own physique.
You do not have to agree that you just need to or would advocate that you just or a liked one would have an abortion to agree that the federal government shouldn’t be making that call for any particular person lady.
ROBERT COSTA: Did Democrats fail, previous Democratic presidents, congressional leaders, to not codify Roe v. Wade over the previous 5 a long time?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I do consider that we must always have rightly believed, however we actually believed that sure points are simply settled. Sure points are simply settled.
ROBERT COSTA: Clearly weren’t.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: No, that is proper.
And that is why I do consider that we live, sadly, in actual unsettled instances. There’s one other instance of this level, voting rights. The basic precept of our democracy is, everybody ought to have entry, who’re entitled, to have entry to vote.
And now you see states throughout the nation which are deliberately making it tougher for individuals to vote. We thought that was settled. We thought that was settled a minimum of by legislation within the ’60s.
We glance now on the challenge of selection. We thought that was settled.
ROBERT COSTA: What is going to this administration do to attempt to codify Roe, to attempt to via Congress put into legislation a few of these priorities?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: What we’ll do via the manager department to make sure that ladies have the flexibility to journey freely, unencumbered, that girls could have entry to the treatment, however we additionally want Congress to behave, as a result of that department of presidency is the place we truly codify, which suggests put into legislation the rights that, once more, we took as a right, however clearly have now been taken from the ladies of America.
We have seen this up to now, if you consider the Voting Rights Act.
ROBERT COSTA: Positive.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Congress acted. Civil Rights Act, Congress acted, as a result of the place there was any query, particularly via the courts or some other system, in regards to the sanctity of those rights, we determined as a nation we might put it into legislation. That is what we have to do with Roe and the rules behind Roe.
ROBERT COSTA: Some senators have steered that Justice Gorsuch, Justice Kavanaugh misled them throughout the affirmation hearings on Roe v. Wade.
Some Democrats have even referred to as for these justices to be impeached. Do you consider they need to be impeached?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I begin from the purpose of expertise of getting served within the Senate.
I by no means believed them. I did not consider them. It is why I voted towards. And…
ROBERT COSTA: So, what now, although?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We have to perceive that states are passing legal guidelines due to what the Supreme Courtroom has now allowed to occur.
So what does this imply? It signifies that we’re elections arising in 120-something days.
ROBERT COSTA: Proper.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: They’ll be about who serves in Congress, and we want a pro-choice Congress.
Once more, you do not have to advocate or consider that that is best for you or your loved ones, however do not let the federal government make the choice for her household, whoever she could also be.
ROBERT COSTA: Proper.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: It means state places of work, governors, secretaries of state, attorneys normal. It means native races. Who’s going to be your DA, who’s going to be your sheriff implementing legal guidelines which are being handed to criminalize medical well being suppliers, and possibly even the ladies who search the service?
ROBERT COSTA: Basketball star Brittney Griner…
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: … she stays imprisoned in Russia. You and President Biden spoke with Cherelle Griner, her spouse.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. Sure. Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: You reassured her. However what sort of reassurance is feasible now? She has pled responsible. Is a prisoner swap on the desk?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We take very significantly — and we have been very clear — Brittany Griner. And there are sadly different Individuals who’re being unlawfully detained around the globe.
And it’s on our highest precedence listing to deliver these people residence. I can not discuss to you in regards to the particulars what’s occurring behind the scenes, however I can let you know that it’s considered one of our highest priorities to deliver these Individuals residence.
ROBERT COSTA: We’re simply months away from the midterm elections.
End this sentence for me. Individuals have to vote for Democrats in November as a result of?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Our democracy is on the poll, actually, actually.
In case you take a look at a problem like selection, it is on the poll, a lady’s proper to make selections about her personal physique and doubtlessly what can occur within the not-too-distant future round points like entry to and making selections about contraception or same-sex marriage.
Elections matter. The people who find themselves elected, particularly to the USA Congress, will resolve the end result of all of those points, voting rights. The flexibility of us to cross voting rights laws, the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, the Freedom to Vote Act, will likely be a operate of who’s in Congress.
ROBERT COSTA: After I go across the nation as a reporter and I discuss to Black Individuals, they create up voting rights. In addition they deliver up police reform.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: And so they say, two years after George Floyd was killed, you have got Jayland Walker in Ohio…
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: … 60 wounds from cops. And…
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sixty gunshots.
ROBERT COSTA: Sixty gunshots.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: Gun violence nonetheless killing Black Individuals from cops.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure.
ROBERT COSTA: Polls, although, present that help for this administration amongst Black Individuals has softened. How will you flip that round?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Black Individuals, Individuals usually must be demanding, and rightly, that we cross laws that addresses these points that you’ve got talked about.
I used to be an writer of the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act. I consider very strongly that we must always have accountability in all methods, together with in policing.
ROBERT COSTA: However they’re annoyed police reform has stalled.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: You are proper.
I imply, however, once more, there’s a connection between what we’re — what we need to have occur and the ability of Congress to truly make it occur, in terms of altering the legal guidelines, in terms of writing after which placing, in impact, legal guidelines that create accountability and better equity in our system, be it our legal justice system, be it our well being care supply system, all of that.
However I’ll say this. What we’ve got additionally seen is that Black Individuals and all Individuals stated — take a look at the USA Supreme Courtroom. There has by no means within the historical past of that courtroom been a Black lady to serve. There now could be, as a result of individuals stood in line in 2020 for hours demanding that, of the issues that they’d stand in line to see occur, there could be a Ketanji Brown Jackson on the USA — Justice — excuse me — Ketanji Brown Jackson on the USA Supreme Courtroom.
So, there are calls for that have been made by voters, saying these are the issues we would like out of this administration. And numerous these calls for have been met within the first year-and-a-half. There’s nonetheless extra work to do, with none query.
ROBERT COSTA: Up on Capitol Hill, there’s hypothesis amongst some Democrats and a few Republicans that President Biden will not run for reelection in 2024.
What’s your message to those that say that?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Hearken to President Biden. He intends to run. And, if he does, I intend to run with him.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So there you go.
ROBERT COSTA: One other run by former President Trump is feasible. He’s signaling that. Would that make it extra probably that the president runs?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: He did it earlier than.
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ROBERT COSTA: One other challenge is immigration.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott this week licensed state officers there to arrest migrants and take them to federal border crossing amenities. And he is blamed the administration for the immigration challenge in his state. He is referred to as it a — quote — “invasion.”
What is going to the administration do about Governor Abbott’s determination within the migrant challenge?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I might counsel that so-called leaders concentrate on options, as an alternative of assaults, if they are surely involved about an issue.
And that features on the problem of immigration, passing a pathway for citizenship, fixing what, particularly beneath the prior administration, was a badly damaged system, in order that we will have a humane and applicable method to this challenge, together with, after all, what we’ll proceed to do by way of prioritizing border safety, however understanding we additionally have to create a pathway.
And that is the place I feel everybody must be centered, in the event that they’re truly involved about options as an alternative of flamethrowing.
ROBERT COSTA: Vice President Harris, thanks very a lot for taking the time.
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: You are welcome. Thanks. It is good to be with you, Bob.
ROBERT COSTA: Good to be with you.
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ROBERT COSTA: Our full interview with Vice President Harris could be seen on our Website and on our YouTube channel.
Face the Nation will likely be again in a single minute. Stick with us.
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ROBERT COSTA: We flip now to the Republican Occasion.
Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin is a newcomer to politics who gained in an upset final November.
We need to welcome Governor Youngkin to the printed.
Good morning, Governor.
Let’s start with the Supreme Courtroom and abortion. You simply heard from Vice President Harris. She stated, you do not have to desert your religion to consider {that a} lady ought to have the flexibility to resolve whether or not she will get an abortion or not.
Do you agree?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN (R-Virginia): Effectively, to start with, good morning, and thanks for having me.
And the talk on abortion has been raging for a very long time. And I consider, as a pro-life governor, that life begins at conception. And my job as a pro-life governor in a state in Virginia, the place, 18 months in the past, the talk in our Normal Meeting was round whether or not abortion must be allowed all the best way up via and together with beginning, funded by taxpayer cash.
And so this in Virginia is a debate that we’re going to run to. The Supreme Courtroom’s determination, I agree with, that it is a determination for states to make by elected officers by the residents of Virginia
And that is why, proper out of the field, I referred to as for a 15-week ache threshold invoice to be shaped and crafted by a bipartisan group of legislators. I feel that is what it is all about is, it is a second for our nation to have a dialogue round this. And every state will resolve one thing completely different. And I feel that is the — that is the actual worth of the Supreme Courtroom’s determination.
ROBERT COSTA: You’ve got stated you have proposed a 15-week ban. Will you ever pursue a full ban on abortion in Virginia?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, the truth is that, as a pro-life governor in a state like Virginia, the place I’ve a Senate that is managed by Democrats and a Home that is managed by Republicans, we’ve got to discover a option to get issues achieved.
And I consider that is what we have been capable of do, is get issues achieved at a time the place it’s a must to deliver individuals collectively with a view to make progress. As I stated, I consider life begins at conception. In Virginia, we have started working with a Senate and a Home. That is what we have been doing.
ROBERT COSTA: However will you ever pursue a full ban?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, I consider that what my job is, is to get one thing achieved.
And I consider we will get a 15-week ache threshold invoice achieved in Virginia for the primary time. Give it some thought. This was a state, once more, that simply 18 months in the past was speaking about enabling abortion all the best way up via and together with beginning. And now we’re capable of speak about a 15-week ache threshold invoice, the place a child feels ache.
It is a outstanding second for us. And it is a possibility I am not going to let go.
ROBERT COSTA: You help exceptions for rape, incest and the lifetime of the mom. Another Republican governors don’t, Republicans. Are they mistaken?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Once more, I feel it is a second the place we’ve got to mirror on our private beliefs.
And as a pro-life governor, I’ve actually mirrored by myself religion and my beliefs. And I do consider that there must be exceptions which are made within the case of rape and incest and when the lifetime of the mom is really in danger.
Once more, it is a second, although, the place individuals have to come back collectively. The one factor that is very a lot agreed upon in Virginia right this moment is that we would like fewer abortions, no more. And I feel it is a probability over the subsequent 5 months for a bipartisan group of legislators to craft a path there and provides me a invoice that I can signal.
ROBERT COSTA: On schooling, considered one of your first actions as governor was to suggest the top of instructing of — quote — “inherently divisive ideas.”
What’s an instance?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, in Virginia faculties — and we noticed Loudoun County actually be floor zero.
We noticed college students being taught that they need to view the whole lot via a lens of race and decide each other. And, once more, we’re not speaking about forgetting our historical past. And, in actual fact, one of many issues we’ve got to do is educate all of our historical past, the nice and the dangerous.
However we should not — we should not play — we should not play privilege bingo with kids. We should not educate kids that they need to decide each other, and one group is privileged and one other group goes to search out it arduous in life essentially. And we should not blame somebody and have them kind a view that they are inherently racist due to their race or their intercourse or their faith.
We should not decide each other. We are able to do that. And so, proper out of the field, we labored with a view to take away inherently divisive ideas from curriculum. We completely — we completely are pushing to show all historical past, the nice and the dangerous. And, once more, we will deliver individuals collectively round this, versus divide them.
ROBERT COSTA: It is a problem, although. You say Virginia is prepared to show all historical past. Suppose your Board of Training involves you, Governor, and says to you, Governor, the Civil Struggle, we suggest it is too divisive. We need to name it the warfare between the states.
What would you do?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, I do not suppose they are going to try this.
ROBERT COSTA: So they might.
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: However I do not consider they are going to.
And I feel what all of us acknowledge is that slavery was an absolute — was an absolute black spot in our historical past. I imply, it’s so, so abhorrent. We now have to show it. And this isn’t a second the place we’re operating away from these matters. And this is the reason I am so enthusiastic about our schooling agenda in Virginia. I imply, we stepped into our day-one sport plan with a complete schooling plan to have the best schooling finances within the historical past of Virginia, to fund particular ed packages, to fund into laboratory faculties to offer selection, to offer lecturers raises.
And we acquired all of it achieved, all of it. That is what’s so thrilling is that we introduced individuals collectively round an schooling agenda which is common-sense- centered. And, once more, I consider that there is sure teams that need to drive individuals aside. And my job is to drag them collectively round a imaginative and prescient for schooling that may ship for our states.
ROBERT COSTA: Safety can also be a problem in your state. We have been speaking in regards to the Supreme Courtroom. A few of these justices dwell in Virginia.
Do you have got confidence the justices who dwell in Virginia are adequately protected?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Our judges in — our judges in Virginia are adequately protected. I want we may do extra.
And this is the reason I’ve referred to as on Legal professional Normal Garland to implement the federal legislation, which is so clear. You’ll be able to’t parade and picket in entrance of the decide’s residence and attempt to affect them. And I’ve been — and I’ve been constant in calling on him to please implement the legislation.
We now have substantial state sources positioned proper round from the justices’ houses. I converse to them incessantly to make it possible for they really feel adequately protected. And I am inspired by these conversations. This isn’t a second the place we will permit something to occur to our justices. Broadly talking, that is about democracy.
ROBERT COSTA: On the courtroom, the courtroom is shifting proper now on a number of completely different fronts. It may transfer on same-sex marriage within the coming years. Will you are taking any steps to codify same-sex marriage in Virginia?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, I consider that what the Supreme Courtroom has achieved most lately is so per what we all know the Structure stands for, which is returning the rights to states to make these selections like Roe v. Wade, defending, in actual fact, the precise of lawmakers to make legal guidelines, not an govt department to cross guidelines and rules that overstep boundaries.
That is what our Supreme Courtroom has — has been so centered on.
ROBERT COSTA: Sure or no, although, defend same-sex marriage or not?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: In Virginia — we truly do defend same-sex marriage in Virginia. That is the legislation in Virginia And, subsequently, as Governor of Virginia, we defend same-sex marriage.
I feel what’s occurring in — proper now could be that there are such a lot of — there’s so many components which are making an attempt to drag individuals aside. And we’ve got an opportunity to carry them collectively.
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ROBERT COSTA: Governor, we’ll be proper again.
We have to take a break for a second, however we have got much more to ask Governor Youngkin.
And we will likely be proper again.
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ROBERT COSTA: We will likely be proper again with extra from Governor Youngkin, plus January 6 Committee member Jamie Raskin and extra.
Stick with us.
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ROBERT COSTA: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We need to proceed our dialog with Virginia Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin.
Governor Youngkin, you have been simply in Nebraska on Saturday chatting with Republicans throughout the nation. You may have additionally stated President Biden was legitimately elected. Former President Trump continues to falsely declare the 2020 election was stolen. Ought to he cease saying that?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, let me start with my journey to Nebraska, which was actually nice enjoyable. Governor Rickets had actually helped me in my race, and it was a terrific probability for me to point out up and assist in the subsequent race to elect a Republican in Nebraska.
And one of many issues that I am actually centered on helps Republican governors get elected. You recognize, I’ve acquired an enormous job in Virginia, and it takes the – it takes the overwhelming majority of my time. However I do suppose there’s spots that I could be useful. And so I plan on doing that this yr.
In fact, the opposite factor we plan on doing this yr helps congressional wins in Virginia. And I feel there’s a terrific alternative there.
ROBERT COSTA: Effectively, what about former President Trump?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, I feel it is a second for the Republican Occasion to acknowledge precisely what I acknowledged final yr, was this isn’t a or second however an and second. I imply we introduced collectively Virginians final close to, perpetually Trumpers, by no means Trumpers, independents, Democrats. We gained the – we gained the Latino vote, the Asian vote, the biggest voter turn-out for black Virginians that anyone can keep in mind to vote for Republican. I imply I feel that is the way forward for the Republican Occasion, which is to acknowledge that we’ve got to come back collectively in these widespread sense, kitchen desk points which are on the forefront of all people’s thoughts, inflation, faculties, secure communities, an economic system that is not stealing all people’s arduous working cash via inflation however provides them a job. That is what the Republicans —
ROBERT COSTA: So, cease speaking about 2020.
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: That is the Republicans who – that we will win.
ROBERT COSTA: So, former President Trump ought to cease speaking about it?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: I feel — what I did final yr was I centered on 2021. And we had 5,000 individuals come and volunteer at elections, and that gave all people confidence in our election course of. They confirmed up. They voted in document numbers for the governor’s race, and we gained.
ROBERT COSTA: The January sixth committee continues its work this week. Some members of the committee consider the previous president has legal wrongdoing. There have been many revolutions made by this committee. What do you consider it’s best to do within the wake of all of this new proof, are you able to proceed to help somebody like President Trump?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, let me start with, what occurred on January sixth with the – with the invasion of our Capitol was terrible. And it is a blight on our democracy.
I’ve to be sincere, although, I discuss to 1000’s of Virginians and the matters they need to speak about will not be January sixth. What they need to speak about is run-away inflation, gasoline costs. They need to speak about crime of their communities. They need to speak about schooling and the rights of fogeys to be engaged of their youngsters’ faculties.
I simply basically consider that the media’s consideration on this, whereas – whereas I feel it is vital to the media, is admittedly not what voters are centered on.
ROBERT COSTA: Effectively, however look – however – it isn’t simply – it isn’t simply the media. Some Republican governors, like Governor Larry Hogan of Maryland, have stated President Trump should not run once more. Is that your view?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: President Trump’s going to do what President Trump needs to do. And my job is to have one of the best Virginia we will have and to display that Republican agenda, on low taxes and nice faculties and secure communities and, by the best way, a thriving economic system that is working with firms like Boeing and Raytheon shifting to Virginia, that is the Republican agenda of the long run. And that is the one which I feel we’re delivering in Virginia and I feel that is the one which’s going to actually carry a pink wave throughout the nation this yr.
ROBERT COSTA: In order that – in order that’s — that is your agenda. That is your focus. You even have political capital. You’re a rising star within the Republican Occasion. Each reporter needs to know the way you utilize that political capital.
You may have a political motion committee that is busy proper now. Will you help and spend cash via your PAC to assist candidates like Doug Mastriano, the election denier who’s operating for governor in Pennsylvania on the Republican aspect?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, I consider what I can do with – with our supporters is, first, get congressional representatives elected in Virginia. Firstly. I feel the highway to the bulk in our Home of Representatives comes via Virginia. And I will spend – I will spend actual time there ensuring that we win these elections.
After which I consider there are governors’ elections across the nation the place I feel I could make a distinction.
ROBERT COSTA: Is Mastriano’s considered one of them?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Effectively, I’ve an enormous job in Virginia, and so I’ve acquired to be actual cautious in how a lot I spend day out of Virginia. We’re nonetheless engaged on my agenda. However I feel there are states, like Virginia, the place individuals acknowledge {that a} Democratic governor has not achieved a very good job and a Republican governor, just like the Republican governors throughout America, can do a very good job. And people are those that I will go help. We’ve not found out the place I am going but. However, on the finish of the day, I will assist some Republican governors get elected.
ROBERT COSTA: While you take a look at a map, Nebraska proper subsequent to Iowa, the early voting state within the 2024 presidential election. Are you open, and your loved ones, to contemplating a run for president in 2024?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: First, I’m massively humbled by this dialogue that is occurring.
ROBERT COSTA: So donors have come to you.
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: And the truth, after all, is, I feel it is primarily based on the truth that I gained in a state that was blue and we turned it pink. I ran on a platform that we’re delivering. And I usually discover it stunning that persons are stunned that an individual runs for workplace after which goes to work to ship on what they promised they have been going to do. And so I feel my job is to be a terrific governor in Virginia.
ROBERT COSTA: However are you open to contemplating, together with your loved ones, the concept of a presidential run in 2024?
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: That is not a choice that we’ve got even begun to undertake. The truth, after all, is I have been in – I have been governor of Virginia for six months. We have got a rare quantity achieved. $4 billion tax cuts. A document finances for schooling. $400 million in to legislation enforcement to lift salaries and maintain our communities secure. That is the place I am centered.
ROBERT COSTA: I did not – I did not hear you rule it out. And I hope if making a decision you come again right here and break the information with CBS.
GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN: Nice.
ROBERT COSTA: Governor Youngkin, thanks a lot for being right here.
And we’ll be proper again.
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ROBERT COSTA: Former President Trump’s prime White Home lawyer, Pat Cipollone, talked with the January sixth committee for eight hours Friday. The committee tells us this morning that they obtained important system on almost each main subject in its investigation, reinforcing key factors concerning Donald Trump’s misconduct and offering extremely related, new info that may play a central function in its upcoming hearings.
We’re again with Maryland Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin. He will likely be a lead questioner in Tuesday’s January sixth committee listening to.
Good morning, Congressman. Thanks for being right here.
REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD): Delighted to be with you, Robert.
ROBERT COSTA: A uncommon assertion from the committee characterizing Cipollone’s testimony from Friday. What is going to we hear Tuesday? And can it embody a few of Cipollone?
JAMIE RASKIN: Effectively, we’ll proceed the story of Donald Trump’s try to overthrow the 2020 presidential election. And on the final hearings we confirmed how a lot of doorways have been closing on him, if not all the best way a minimum of a part of the best way when the state legislatures, that did not work for him. The Division of Justice mini coup did not actually work for him. The try to get the DOJ to say that the election was corrupt had not come via. The trouble to intimidate election officers like Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in Georgia had not succeeded. However now he was turning his consideration to January the sixth. And we’re going to get to make use of numerous Mr. Cipollone’s testimony to corroborate different issues we have discovered alongside the best way. He was the White Home council on the time. He was conscious of each main transfer, I feel, that Donald Trump was making to attempt to overthrow the 2020 election and primarily seize the presidency. And so I thought of his testimony priceless (ph).
ROBERT COSTA: So, we’ll see him maybe on video or a part of his testimony excerpted. However who will we’ve got within the listening to room as dwell witnesses?
JAMIE RASKIN: Effectively, one of many issues that persons are going to study is the elemental significance of a gathering that occurred within the White Home on December the 18th. And on that day, the group of attorneys, of out of doors attorneys who’ve been denominated staff loopy by individuals in and across the White Home, got here in to attempt to urge a number of new programs of motion, together with the seizure of voting machines across the nation.
And, so a number of the individuals concerned in that have been Sydney Powell, Rudy Giuliani was round for a part of that dialogue. Michael Flynn was round for that. However towards this staff loopy have been an inside group of attorneys who primarily wished the president at that time to acknowledge that he had misplaced the election and have been much more prepared to just accept the truth of his defeat at that time.
So — so there will likely be — there will likely be different witnesses coming.
ROBERT COSTA: Witnesses who have been on the December 18, 2020 assembly? First- hand witnesses?
JAMIE RASKIN: No, no. There will likely be testimony about that, that — there will likely be different kinds of proof submitted about that. However there will likely be different witnesses and I am afraid I am not licensed to reveal who these witnesses are at this level.
ROBERT COSTA: Oh, (INAUDIBLE). If anybody’s licensed, it is you.
What about Steve Bannon, the previous White Home chief strategist, appears to be signaling he is prepared to come back in. Do you purchase it? Is it a real provide and can you settle for it?
JAMIE RASKIN: Look, we would like everybody’s testimony. We have talked to greater than a thousand individuals and, to me, it vindicates the best way our system of justice works and the best way that our democracy works, and legislative democracy works.
ROBERT COSTA: What about Bannon?
JAMIE RASKIN: Effectively, I perceive from reviews right this moment he is had a change of coronary heart. And after watching presumably all of those individuals come ahead, you realize, together with Cassidy Hutchinson, you realize, he is determined that he needs to come back in. And if he needs to come back in, I am sure that the committee could be very considering listening to from him.
ROBERT COSTA: Wouldn’t it — would it not be closed door with Bannon or do you need to — as a result of he may go on the market and preach if it is a public, dwell listening to.
JAMIE RASKIN: The best way that we’ve got handled each single witness is identical, that they arrive in, they discuss to the committee. There’s — if they’ll take a deposition, they’re sworn beneath oath. It is videotaped. It is recorded. After which we take it from there.
ROBERT COSTA: Bannon was on the Willard Lodge in Washington, D.C., on the night time of January 5, 2021, the eve of the rebel. What are we going to study out of your listening to on Tuesday in regards to the Willard Lodge, Roger Stone, additionally current on the Willard that night time, Steve Bannon, Rudy Giuliani. Is there an actual connection between these so-called warfare rooms, the violence exterior, the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers gathering, and what was occurring contained in the West Wing?
JAMIE RASKIN: Effectively, I feel your query virtually solutions itself. Donald Trump was, after all, the central determine who set the whole lot into movement. He was the particular person, Rob, who recognized January sixth because the date for the large protest. And he introduced that in his tweet in the course of the night time on December nineteenth after a loopy assembly, one which has been described as a loopy assembly in the whole Trump presidency ended December 18th and Mark Meadows escorted Rudy Giuliani out the door. It form of ended at that time.
After which simply an hour or two later, Donald Trump despatched out the tweet that will be heard around the globe. The primary time in American historical past when a president of the USA referred to as a protest towards his personal authorities, in actual fact, to attempt to cease the counting of Electoral School votes in a presidential election he had misplaced.
ROBERT COSTA: Proper.
JAMIE RASKIN: Completely unprecedented. Nothing like that had ever occurred earlier than. So, persons are going to listen to the story of that tweet after which the explosive results it had in Trump world and particularly among the many home violence extremist teams, probably the most harmful political extremists within the nation at that time.
ROBERT COSTA: What about Ginni Thomas, the partner of Supreme Courtroom Justice Clarence Thomas. Her lawyer now says she would not need to seem. Will she ever seem earlier than your committee?
JAMIE RASKIN: I imply, once more, that is like with Steve Bannon, I imply, the overwhelming majority of individuals, younger, middle-aged, outdated, Cassidy Hutchinson’s a terrific instance, have achieved their civic obligation, have achieved their authorized obligation, have achieved their patriotic obligation and have stated, I will come ahead and let you know the whole lot I do know and nothing however the reality and the whole reality.
ROBERT COSTA: What’s your message to her if she’s watching?
JAMIE RASKIN: So — to whom?
ROBERT COSTA: Ginni Thomas.
JAMIE RASKIN: My message to her is my message to all Individuals, which is, in case you have related info, if you’re a fabric witness the least bit to those occasions, come ahead and inform us what you realize.
ROBERT COSTA: Are you able to power her hand?
JAMIE RASKIN: Once more, you realize, I do not need to enter into questions and negotiations about particular witnesses.
ROBERT COSTA: Proper.
JAMIE RASKIN: I imply it is form of a violation of our duty to the general public. However we’re telling all people within the public, come ahead and inform us what you realize. And, you realize, in the event you get a subpoena, I imply, a subpoena shouldn’t be an invite to a valentine’s day get together. A subpoena is telling you — the world subpoena means beneath penalty of legislation. You get a subpoena. You are available in.
ROBERT COSTA: While you take a look at your earlier feedback, you stated these hearings would, quote, blow the roof off the home. Main listening to this week on Tuesday led by you partially. One other main listening to on Thursday. Will your assertion nonetheless stand by Friday, that these hearings will blow the roof off the home?
JAMIE RASKIN: Effectively, not actually, actually. However I feel what I meant is that whenever you add all of this up collectively, it’s the biggest political offense towards the union by a president of the USA in our historical past. Nothing comes near it. It — you realize, the —
ROBERT COSTA: A legal offense.
JAMIE RASKIN: The try — the try to overthrow the results of a presidential election via a political coup and the mobilization of an armed, violent mob can’t actually be in comparison with anything a president has achieved. It makes the Watergate break-in appear to be the work of Cub Scouts.
So I — I simply hope that we’re telling the whole lot we all know in a reliable and efficient option to the American individuals as a result of, you realize, Madison stated that in a democracy, the individuals have the precise to probably the most terrible reality, which is the reality in regards to the nature of presidency and their rulers. And we want Individuals to look very rigorously at what occurred.
ROBERT COSTA: Congressman Raskin, thanks.
The subsequent January sixth listening to will likely be on Tuesday, July twelfth. And you may watch it proper right here on CBS on our broadcast and our streaming community.
We’ll be again in a second.
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ROBERT COSTA: Throughout the closing weeks of the Trump presidency, together with the day the Capitol was assault, British movie maker Alex Holder had behind the scenes entry to former President Trump and his interior circle as a part of a documentary venture. The footage his staff gathered was subpoenaed by the committee probing the assault and investigators have interviewed Holder as they search to piece collectively what occurred.
Alex Holder’s three-part documentary collection “Unprecedented” premiers right this moment on Discovery Plus
And he’s right here with us this morning.
Good morning, Alex.
ALEX HOLDER, (“Unprecedented” Director): Good morning.
ROBERT COSTA: Your documentary, which I’ve watched, highly effective footage of the brutal violence on January sixth. Your documentary additionally focuses on the Trump household in an intense means. Do they really feel any culpability for what occurred?
ALEX HOLDER: I imply, in my – in my interactions with them, no, under no circumstances. I imply I feel President Trump, after I interviewed him in Mar-a-Lago, he doubled down on the place. In truth, he even says that the rationale why the protesters went into the Capitol on January sixth was as a result of they’d — consider that the election was stolen. Effectively, who instructed them that the election was stolen aside from him?
After which with respect to his kids, they declined to debate the topic of January sixth. So, I feel that their silence will likely be for others to find out what that actually means.
ROBERT COSTA: You and your crew captured this superb second in January 2021 with Vice President Pence as he has to confront a choice on one thing most vice presidents by no means must decide about, whether or not to invoke the twenty fifth Modification.
Let’s check out that second.
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ON SCREEN TEXT: Six days after certification.
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): I be a part of the Senate Democrat chief on calling on the vice chairman to take away this president by instantly invoking the twenty fifth Modification.
ON SCREEN TEXT: The twenty fifth Modification provides the vice chairman, together with a majority of cupboard secretaries, the ability to declare the president unfit for workplace.
NANCY PELOSI: If the vice chairman or cupboard don’t act, the Congress could also be ready to maneuver ahead with impeachment.
MIKE PENCE (Vice President of the USA): Huh, it is 7:48.
MAN: That is after I obtained it. However the Home members acquired it some time again.
ON SCREEN TEXT: Throughout our interview, the vice chairman obtained an e mail with the congressional draft decision demanding that he invoke the twenty fifth Modification.
MIKE PENCE: Sure. Glorious. Inform Zach (ph) to print me off a tough copy for the journey residence.
MAN: Positive. Positive.
MIKE PENCE: Nice.
I am all the time hopeful about America. I all the time consider that America’s greatest days are but to come back. And I nonetheless consider that.
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ROBERT COSTA: What did you witness behind the scenes that day that you will have shared with the January sixth committee that we did not see?
ALEX HOLDER: Effectively, I imply, that day was fairly extraordinary. And that is about six days or so after the occasions of January the sixth. We’re now within the White Home within the OEOB (ph). Soi that is the ceremonial room for the vice chairman. And we noticed issues within the corridors of desks that was form of, you realize, upended and chairs exterior as a result of they have been clearly shifting out for the brand new administration. There was this form of actually dower, fairly, form of depressed temper within the constructing at the moment. And a number of the aids across the vice chairman as nicely have been additionally, you realize, speaking quietly, whispering. Issues have been, you realize, simply — it was a really uncomfortable state of affairs. After which the vice chairman walks in, he sits down and that is, I imply, on that day he was in all probability probably the most well-known man on the earth as a result of this was all in regards to the twenty fifth Modification and whether or not or not he was truly going to invoke this process.
So, it was a rare day. And he sits down within the chair, and his assist palms him over his cellphone. And myself and quite a bit our director of pictures noticed that it was from the speaker’s workplace. And we captured this extraordinary second. And in addition the aftermath of it as nicely.
So, it was — we have been strolling in historical past all through this whole course of of constructing this documentary. And I hope individuals, you realize, tune in and watch it and see these unbelievable moments unfold.
ROBERT COSTA: You have been strolling via historical past. You have been with the Trump household many times. And also you forged them as a household that is additionally a model and it is a model that can’t settle for defeat. Do you consider the previous president will run once more?
ALEX HOLDER: Oh, I do not know whether or not or not he’ll run once more. I imply I —
ROBERT COSTA: However you have been up shut with him.
ALEX HOLDER: I imply I feel, you realize, he tends to not do the identical factor twice when he fails. And I feel the rationale for that, and that is what the collection exhibits, is that it is all in regards to the model. It is all in regards to the phrase “Trump.” And the affiliation of the phrase “Trump” to failure is one thing that he cannot settle for and his youngsters cannot settle for. So, the concept it could occur once more, that he would possibly fail once more is one thing that will be one thing that he couldn’t settle for. So, possibly he would possibly take the danger, possibly he will not take the danger, we’ll see. I imply he says we’ll see, so.
ROBERT COSTA: You spoke to former President Trump about democracy. What did that dialog disclose to you?
ALEX HOLDER: Effectively, I do not suppose he actually understands what that actually means. I imply after I was sitting in entrance of him within the White Home on, you realize, form of 4 or 5 days after his personal legal professional normal has stated there is no proof to help his claims of election malfeasance and he is giving me all these completely different causes as to why there truly is election points and the way we have to intervene and we have to form of get courageous and brave judges. I imply, this is not a person who actually form of absolutely understands what it means to be — what democracy truly actually means.
ROBERT COSTA: You’ve got in all probability spent extra time with Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump than virtually anybody else exterior of that household. Do you consider they’re angling to proceed the Trump model politically and run for workplace, if not in 2024, in some unspecified time in the future sooner or later? You recognize them.
ALEX HOLDER: I imply I would not be stunned in the event that they do. I imply, Don Jr. actually got here throughout, a minimum of in my interactions with him, and I feel within the collection individuals will see that he does have an curiosity in politics for positive, and he goes into form of the background of the place his political awakening comes from, which is fairly attention-grabbing.
I feel Eric possibly not as a lot. And Ivanka we’ll see as nicely. However I feel that they are – however, finally, with these — with this household and what the collection exhibits is that this form of — the dynamic, the form of succession and vibe, the dynamic between the three kids and the connection they’ve with their father and vice versa.
ROBERT COSTA: Alex Holder, thanks a lot for coming by. We recognize it.
ALEX HOLDER: A pleasure. Thanks very a lot.
ROBERT COSTA: Thanks.
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